Quote from Bmxtwins :

Hey guys, I did some reading and read about this so called Shiftign Center, in post 2 the first app was said to fix this, I searched for it on WIngman but couldnt find that exact app.

This is a video of my problem (this isnt actually me)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqXsZzPTXb4
what happens is Ill be in a turn and the when i come out of it the wheel thinks it's centered even if the wheel is all the way turned and if Iw ere to let go with FFB it would stay cocked to the side. Any ideas? And can anyone post a link to this app (winxp32bit).

PS: my wheel is same as the one in that video, tired of having races ruined by my idiotic wheel (and semi fixed brake dragging pedals)

Thanks

Ray

After 120,000 LFS miles my momo did the same thing
Solution: chucked it in the garbage and got a DFP-GT off e-bay for half the cost.

Quote from TexasLTU :

outside now outside push push outside myers push push now outside now myers myers wtf are you doing

ahahahahahah

Quote from PMD9409 :

There comes a time in life when you must stop the baby making.

noway!!

Quote from dekojester :

Me and Wilko will be there to commentate from the rush to the hospital through the delivery.

as long as you're not driving, fine.

I want deko to commentate the birth of my next child.

LOL Timo at /user.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Soooooooo, you're saying it could be the suspension model and not the tire model? I could live with that.

Pretty much, yeah.......now who wants to throw the aerodynamics section in?

Quote from Glenn67 :

There is a lot of variables involved! I can't say I've got my head around all the terminology commonly used in oval racing, one thing that stands out imediately though is what you see in the set up screen is on flat ground and what you race on is mostly banked corners - so that would mean that what you view in the set up screen really can only be used as a reference point and has little resemblance to what the actual balance of the car is at speed in the middle of a banked turn?

A reference point is correct.
For instance in the Late Model in iRacing, you can set your typical static setup parameters, but you have no idea where your front and rear roll centers are, where your CG height is, actual track width, pinion angle (and you have to assume it is a standard 3-link, with no spring-loaded 3rd member, with an aft-mounted panhard bar). Not to mention the lack of accurate ackerman settings or knowing how much bump-steer you have. You also have no measurement or adjustability in the lower trailing arms to induce or reduce rear-steer.
Which, in my eyes, begs the question of how so many people can say the tire-model is incorrect, when in all actuality it could be absolutely perfect, but the geometry in the suspension is wrong. We don't really even know if the tires are based on a radial or bias-ply design (at least i haven't seen that determination as of yet).
As I have said before, we are given a computer generated representation of what should be, and the setups need to be as such to make that representation fast. Until we are given every possible piece of information available ingame that we get on real cars, noone will ever really know if tire models are right or wrong.

Sorry phil, I meant its the norm at my local track, and a few others. Haven't tried it online yet.
And tbh, I've run 62% crossweight at the same track, so who really knows what is "correct"?

Quote from PMD9409 :

Full nose weight, 50-75lbs more on RF than LF, no track bar, front springs adjusted to make a tight set. Only thing to make the car turn is the rear spring split. Car shouldn't even want to turn, and sure as heck should get epically tight on the long run, however it does none of that. If anything the setup is loose!

It's crazy how you can make a crazy tight setup and make one thing counteract it, and that will make virtually a completely different setup. Each 'build' the sets change dramatically, this is the first time this type of setup is fast. I'm not really figuring out how it works just yet.

Yeah. What doesn't make sense works. The first time we rolled that set across the scales the inspectors thought they had the cables mixed up. 1100 pounds on the LF tire, 8 deg caster split, lol. And this was years 8 years ago. Now its the norm.

Lol.

@ PMD, I started running what could be called a luaghable setup on a my sportsman car in 2002, and the car was insanely fast.
At a track where 57% crossweght is the norm, I was under 47%
It simply comes down to the right combination and giving the car and driver what each wants.
But you're experienced enough to know that.....

Last edited by z-ro 8, Fri 6 Aug 2010, 10:56.

Quote from Pianoman :

You cannot compare LFS and iRacing. iRacing is a completely different story! If you don´t know iRacing and its features and overall meaning, please stop such a stupid comments. Don´t be silly.

He recanted.

http://www.lfsforum.net/showpo ... 1465077&postcount=126

A great way to start and end a useful discussion.
Hopefully we'll see you in both genres. :d

Bro-hugs.

See, the hostility.

You chose your own emotion to go with my words.

I didn't "jump all over anyone". I don't need to.

All i simply wanted to do was explain my view, with the hopes that some others would see that the whole point(in my opinion) of both sims is to bring people together for a good race.

I wouldn't care if it was Radio-Flyers on brick roads, as long as the battle was good.

Quote from PMD9409 :

You completely missed his point however and did what 99% of every iRacing lover does. You mistaked "the feel" with iR's content, not its physics. Put LFS' physics on iR's content, and I can promise it'll be better than what it is currently.

TBH i don't give two sh*ts about physics, or tire models, i care about having a good battle on a race track, and finishing it with the sense that it was somewhat close to reality.
I have learned to like iRacing for what it can give me, and there are minimal drawbacks (so far) in iRacing ovals compared to ANY racing in LFS in it's current state.
I must be missing something relative to your idea of the differences in physics. I have only driven a few of the cars in the iR roster, and they seem to act as they should, keeping in mind that both are computer generated examples of reality, and both are still under development.

Believe me, there's alot in LFS that i really appreciate. But like 99% of every other LFS lover does, I have grown too accustomed to that, and it's not reality. Maybe the physics are more accurate, or the tire model seems better. But i have bounced a few real race cars off walls and other cars, and have yet to be flung 600 feet skyward. THAT is not a simulation to me. That is just a game(albeit a good one).

Alot of the pro-LFS people stand up for what they believe, and show their loyalty. I stand right behind them, and still recommend it to anyone I know who may be interested.

But the simple fact is, cost or not, IRacing is doing something LFS isn't right now: filling servers.

And if it is so bad, then it makes me wonder why of the 7 people in a Solstice race I did earlier, 3 of them were LFS players, two finishing 1st & 2nd(no, neither of them was me of course, and one was your own teammate).

It's just sad that the state of affairs here have gone the way of negativity. This is no longer a place to talk about LFS, it's a place to bitch about LFS, and everything else.
This very thread started as a voiced opinion complaining about iR.

Said it before, i'll say it again. Stop comparing the two. It's pointless.
Some people choose vanilla, some choose chocolate. Some like the twist.

Quote from baSh0r :

Talking about the pure car handling i must say i prefer LFS because it just gives so much more feedback.

I disagree.

Maybe you're basing your assumption on the Legend or Solstice or Spec Racer?
There are NO tracks in LFS that give the feel of the real thing, it's just a matter of getting used to where the slip limit is.
Me personally, i focus on the ovals. And 50 laps at Thompson makes my wrists hurt, and that's simply due to the characteristics of the track, not just turning up the FFB.

The first time i tried iRacing, i was put off. But, i also had onboard GFX card and a worn out momo.

Now with a good card, and a DFPGT, it's a different experience. I will admit to being very judgemental and against it for the cost. But I previously paid for numerous LFS servers that sat empty most of the time. And as of late, I haven't had any satisfactory racing experiences in LFS in quite some time. SO if i have to spend a little cash to refresh my online racing, dammit that's my choice.

Believe me, I'm not bashing LFS in any way. 170,000+ miles in under 2.5 years shows it. But I think there are far too many people that go by their first impression, with the attitude that it's a comparison test.
It's not a comparison at all.

Wrong section please.

Quote from MadCat360 :

If you just sit in the pits you can turn the wheel 360 degrees and it'll just snap back quicker than if you were slinging it around in a drift.

Excessive positive caster will do relatively the same.
Something you can't accurately feel in LFS.....

Double post but I'm on my phone so eff it.

LFS has tons of great qualities, but if you can afford iRacing, do it.
If you can't, then enjoy the beautiful game LFS is.

Its all person preferance.
Like finding a woman. Some are good for some things....

Quote from Bmxtwins :

Only reason, I would try it is for the ovals.

Becase LFS meets my other needs. haVoc, is the oval comparable to NR2003's icy physics or what.

Never did 2003.
But I have driven a legend car. And it's dam near dead on.
A legend is pretty much a 4 wheel crotch rocket with a bad case of PMS.
It runs high revs, is light enough that you can push it over on its lid, runs what basically amounts to a hard compound street tire, and spins like a Florida Republican.
The Spec Racer Ford can be compared to the RAC handling wise, so imagine testing LFS for the first time being given that monstrosity.

People are spoiled by what LFS does give them. For example, logitek said he doesn't like that he can't press a button to see his tire temps. Well, I have yet to drive any car that let's me do that.
If you pay attention, you feel how hot your tires are, you can manage your grip with patience. I think its a blast to let someone by so they can burn em up, then run em down late in a race cuz I saved my stuff. THAT is sim racing.
Knowing if yer gonna pass someone on the bottom of turn 4 at Thompson is prolly not gonnawork makes you think before you act, which LFS doesn't really teach you.

I'm an LFS fanboy, and got past rookie oval license in about 5 nights of iracing.
Love it.
The problem is you can't and shouldn't compare the two. They are just different.
If you judged S2 content on your demo experience today, you may not by S2.
So don't judge the whole of iracing off your first month in the rookie class.

14 bucks a month(8 if you go for the best deal), may seem like a lot, but that is less that 50 cents a day. You can beg, borrow or steal that and noone will notice.

Bottom line: LFS is good at being LFS, iRacing is good at being iRacing.

Sorry Sid, didn't realize this thread was "for positive discussion only".

I'm not prejudiced, if it had been Carl again, i would have called him an idiot too.

Quote from SidiousX :

There has been bumpdrafting going on all day, I understand that some of you don't like him, but it's idiotic pointing out every damn mistake he makes, give it a rest.

No.

Jimmie (TheStig) Johnson

Way to go Jimmie!

Let's bumpdraft on the most not-smooth straight on the schedule.

Where the f**k is Sadler's engine?

Idiot.

He probably meant this.